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Post by Squiddy on Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:28 am

lol that is true, but even if just China helped it'd probably have been over by now, unless they decided to pull some crazy stunt to take over everything.
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Post by Mephit on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:21 pm

China looks after it's own (plus or minus a few). Given it has the world's largest conventional armed forces and the "We all lose" button, its another one of those countries that doesn't really get messed with on any great level.

Plus given China's human rights record, I'm not sure it'd go down too well wherever they helped out. Sad
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Post by shadow on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:55 pm

Basically the question "should be interfere or not", should be refrained in "do you want to pay more money for your gaz and oil next winter?"
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Post by Squiddy on Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:08 pm

Sure, but at least we, the UK, aren't just throwing around a couple of thousand troops, killing a ton of citizens and then taking the oil. We've had extensive training programmes for the Iraqi military and police services and helped a great deal with infrastructure and the general consturction/replacement of other buildings.

I think we deserve some oil.
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Post by StanWephen on Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:12 pm

shadow wrote:Basically the question "should be interfere or not", should be refrained in "do you want to pay more money for your gaz and oil next winter?"

I don't!

Therefore, Russia was right. End of.

But typically, the issue of who was right or wrong depends on the newspapers we read and what propaganda we choose to accept. I think the below article puts it well - Russia only seems in the wrong because its losing the propaganda game.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7562611.stm
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Post by Pughie on Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:15 pm

"Georgia has a right to try and defeat armed separatists in their own region do they not? If a group in Liverpool suddenly armed themselves, declared themselves independent and threatened the government do you think our military would do nothing?"

that was happening this summer but has been delayed because of the capital of culture thing.

as has been said lets be honest the west democracies havent exactly been clever over the past 10 years with the invasion of iraq and to a lesser extent afghanistan.

from what ive seen Russia worked this all out quite well and has been planning this for a good while. ossetia breaks away and obviously the russia 29th army? i think it was, is camped out over the border waiting for this to happen. what they had to bank on was georgia taking the bait and invading south ossetia which they did. so therefore with it being pro-russian seperatists who nearly all hold russian passports aswell as georgian, then obviously russia are going to intervene. so on the whole russia has done well out of this they new the west wasnt well placed to do anything, and have gained a foothold into a small former soviet state.

to be honest russias the one to watch militarily over the net 10 years with china close in behind it. its started up its old fly bys of bombers close to our airspace as it did during the cold war and its constantly holding military exercises with china and it continues to threaten everyone and his dog with nuclear weapons.
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Post by Mephit on Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:13 am

StanWephen wrote:
But typically, the issue of who was right or wrong depends on the newspapers we read and what propaganda we choose to accept. I think the below article puts it well - Russia only seems in the wrong because its losing the propaganda game.
In a chunk of Western countries, maybe. Biased media for Georgia and against Russia? Surely not! Rolling Eyes
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Post by shadow on Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:21 am

I actually feel sorry for the Russian ppl, in their whole history they have never known freedom and democracy. Sad actually.



but back on topic: have you seen the war continued on the net? There was a Massive amount of government controlled internet attacks on Georgian services. It had gone even so far that all officials had to communicate over gmail accounts. The internet is becoming more and more a weapon in modern warfare.
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Post by TheTruePredator on Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:46 am

Yeah I heard about that pretty funny some Russians had hacked the Georgian military site I think and posted pictures of the Georgian president amongst the likes of hitler and other hated leaders
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