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Post by Bob Boblo on Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:28 pm

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Post by jerryGFL on Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:34 pm

wow i personally dont believe in god but wtf is that?
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Post by Free Jack on Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:58 pm

im an atheist, but this kind of posterwork is just stupid all it will do is enrage people who although i think those offended will most likely be retarded, still shouldn't stir s*** for the sake of it.
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Post by zaney on Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:05 pm

I actually like it, something like this would go down very well down here, with plenty of smiles and giggles.

Like Dawkins said: "Religion is accustomed to getting a free ride". Why not use that space to advertise happy living and a non-ideology instead of telling us our only hope is in an imaginary friend?
It's about time the idea of religion is looked at again closely; it's momments like these that indicate the start of a social revolution, one (heavily critisised) step at time untill society can accept that they may just happen to be deluded... and we all know how much we need a social revolution in these stagnating times.
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Post by Final Destiny on Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:41 am

I like it as well personally. It may outrage some but sometimes you have to upset people. I get Churches cramming leaflets down my throat walking to my lectures. So therefore why can't atheists do the same with a bus.
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Post by widdows9000 on Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:30 am

I agree with FD and Zaney on this.
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Post by Big Boy Bulley on Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:55 am

I was listening to a debate about this on 5 live last night, and i dont see whats wrong!

Whats so different between an atheist and a beliver expressing their views?
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Post by twaters on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:08 am

I don't have a problem with it per se (as a Christian) although it doesn't justify the claim "there is probably no God", and it's very hypocritical of them in a whole plethora of ways. This isn't about freedom of speech. It never has been.

Free Jack wrote:im an atheist, but this kind of posterwork is just stupid all it will do is enrage people who although i think those offended will most likely be retarded, still shouldn't stir s*** for the sake of it.

Hypocrisy here too? Rolling Eyes

Oh and Zaney, why do you just assume that a religious way of living isn't a happy one?


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Post by zaney on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:34 am

I was being literal Smile ...that's the problem with debating using text, it's very difficult to determin different nuances of speaking styles that you normally portray with tone etc.

Litteral as in it is advertising happyness in and of itself, whereas religious advertisement normally advertises happyness as either a payment by god for your faith (or a natural result, debateable). Or the result of a filling in your life that isn't directly related to happyness itself but might not allow for happyness without it (e.g. forgiveness, compassion, protection etc)

I prefer to go with the first, litteral, one; as happyness is nothing more than a flood in your brain of a hormone Smile
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Post by Enef Freestar on Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:13 am

What I am surprised by is the asnwers they recieved from the Christian Voice group,

Bendy-buses, like atheism, are a danger to the public at large

Exclamation Exclamation Evil or Very Mad Atheism no danger, what has caused more deaths and war, Atheism or religion? Laughing

I love the Methodist response though Razz

However the Methodist Church said it thanked Professor Dawkins for encouraging a "continued interest in God".

That is great lol! yourock
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Post by Flamur on Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:46 am

tl;dr comments but yes, I like it.
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Post by twaters on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:15 pm

Enef Freestar wrote:What I am surprised by is the asnwers they recieved from the Christian Voice group,

Bendy-buses, like atheism, are a danger to the public at large

Exclamation Exclamation Evil or Very Mad Atheism no danger, what has caused more deaths and war, Atheism or religion?

In the 20th Century, since the advent of atheism based states? Probably atheism. Also, if you take into account the motives of the people causing these wars/deaths, i'd say it's not too greatly, if at all, in atheism's favour.
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Post by Siobhan Griffin on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:50 pm

Religion can inspire, religion can kill.

Atheists can be inspiring, atheists can kill.

It's really the nature of the person, not the doctrine they choose to follow.

Yes, people who were religious have (in the past) caused deaths and war but realistically the wars would have happened for another reason if they'd had to - see the Teutonic Crusades for example.

Blaming religion for the sins of the religious is like saying the devil made you do it.
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Post by Dishmcds on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:51 pm

Gawd. We can have religion. We can have sin. We can have atheism. Comparing them to each other is like asking why your potato plant wasnt growing apples.
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Post by twaters on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:54 pm

zaney wrote:Litteral as in it is advertising happyness in and of itself, whereas religious advertisement normally advertises happyness as either a payment by god for your faith (or a natural result, debateable).
I prefer to go with the first, litteral, one; as happyness is nothing more than a flood in your brain of a hormone Smile

Ummm? Not a theologically sound statement. And i question the truth of your comment about hormones too.
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Post by tim09 on Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:08 pm

Religion is not the cause of war, it is the excuse.


Coming from a christian over here.
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Post by zaney on Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:56 pm

twaters, that's why I added the brackets, I knew you would be uncomfortable with that statement you put in bold.

And the comment about happyness: It is entirely true. It is the same reason taking MDMA makes you feel 'love' and 'happyness'... The same reason they cure depression with hormone balances and endorphine/seritonin boosters or receptor enhancers. Your brain is a series of chemical and electrical (RE)actions and while a soul is debateable...emotions themselves have been utterly proven to be physical.
Of course it's bad practice of me to say all this without providing sources, but i'm a bit swamped with tafe and erepublik work at the momment Sad
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Post by Taytaz on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:38 pm

Siobhan Griffin wrote:Religion can inspire, religion can kill.

Atheists can be inspiring, atheists can kill.

It's really the nature of the person, not the doctrine they choose to follow.

Yes, people who were religious have (in the past) caused deaths and war but realistically the wars would have happened for another reason if they'd had to - see the Teutonic Crusades for example.


Blaming religion for the sins of the religious is like saying the devil made you do it.
Exactly, I'm not a strict Catholic, but Religion can play an important part, not everybody has to be a born-again Evangelist...Religion is just like any moral code...
Also, Religion is an excuse for war, that happen anyway like we have seen with many places, the name of Religion has been used to disguise grabs for power, land and money
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Post by Tecchi on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:56 pm

I dont think as many people wouldve fought in such a war (the 3 holy crusades in jerusalem) if it wasnt for religious purposes.
All parties (The Turks, Saracens and European Catholics) all fought in those wars because Jerusalem was a major symbol of each party's religion.

True, they would've found another reason to fight.. but there wouldnt've been such an immense amount of supporters for each aprty united under one common cause.. religion.

My two cents. Roman Catholic here, but im a man of science lol Wink
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Post by Taytaz on Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:09 pm

Well, I personally support science...so does the majority of the official Roman Catholic Church...it's the weird evangelist Hicks from Cult Christian groups that are always complaining...my favourite is the site called anti-spore
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Post by Mephit on Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:40 am

Tecchi wrote:True, they would've found another reason to fight.. but there wouldnt've been such an immense amount of supporters for each aprty united under one common cause.. religion.
Catholics in the Middle Ages didn't restrict their Crusades to just fighting non-Christians, they had at least one pretty bloody one on their own soil. Sad
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Post by Siobhan Griffin on Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:32 am

Teutonic Crusade, the Crusade continued on for bloody years even after the 'heathens' actually converted to the Christian faith.

Oops?

And as for the wars over Jerusalem, it was one of the richest cities in the known world, while also having all kinds of religious pretexts for attacking it (as opposed to the very well defended Orthodox Christian Byzantium... which they sacked at one point anyway).

Then we have the Inquisition - a true example of the horrors of religious fanaticism... sorta. Except somehow what began as genuine inquiry became more and more torture and horror (and death) as the ramifications of the teensy little codicil awarding the property of the deceased 'heretic' to the Church - more accurately to the Inquisition, and fair tithe of it to the Inquisitor who carried out the questioning.

The pre-Torquemada Spanish Inquisitional Office actually received a tongue-lashing over it.

All kinds of evils have been and are carried out under the mantle of religion - I actually think it's a good idea to have the ads, as it encourages people to think about religion, whether they believe or not.
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Post by patti11 on Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:33 am

well sed sio
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Post by Tecchi on Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:43 am

Kudos for Sio's post!
...this forum needs a Kudos system.
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Post by Mephit on Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:28 am

I was actually thinking of this one. That said, organised anything has flaws so it isn't like religion is unique in this regard.
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