Us election Palin vs Biden

Thats the reason im still awake. I wanna see paling get absolutely blown away. I hope she wil make herself look really stupid so that the people in the US notice that she has not got a clue about whats goiing on.

Anyway thats why I am still up, bbc will be streaming the debate live at 2 am BST 1 am GMT
Anyone else going to watch it?

Me...As i live in the US.

Palin is very personable. I think there is a good chance that she can blow Biden out of the water.

Obama basically wants to turn the US into a Socialist country. McCain better win this election

see the biggest problem i have with the republicans right now is that for the past 8 years they have made the US look bad in the world. Bush cuased uneccessary wars and i am jsut afraif mccain might continue.

I do agree however that Biden coudl make a faux pas tonight but it shall be an interesting watch especially for someone outside of America.

Also there is no way that Obama wants a socialist country he is focused on improving things from where they are now, liek the healthcare etc.
Do you honestly belive taht if mc cain had a stroke or somehting you would liek Plain to run your country? She really has not got he necessary expierience, her interviews with the press so far have just been horrible. I can understand why peopel finde her likeable. Shes an average upper middle class women who has a big family etc. Its that sort of stuff which is highly valued in the US.

I respect of course that you are in favour of Mc Cain at the moment because thats your opinion. I hope that the next month might be able to change your mind.

His tax plan is more-or-less Socialist.

If you raise taxes on the rich ($250,000+) and give it to the poor, it's socialist.
To put it in simpler terms: He wishes to create one class by bringing the rich down to the level of the middle class.

Deathtoll32 wrote:Me...As i live in the US.

Palin is very personable. I think there is a good chance that she can blow Biden out of the water.

Obama basically wants to turn the US into a Socialist country. McCain better win this election

Your understanding of the term "socialist" is...well, it's American. Taxing the rich more than the poor, it's a leftist policy, of that there is no denying. But that, and even want to create some form of state funded health service does not a socialist country make.

Maybe Obama does want a one class society. Frankly, I severely doubt that. I hope he does, but even in the remote chance that he does want that, and is keeping it hush, once he gets voted as President he then comes out and trys all these socialist policies, they'll fail in Congress, surely? Because even the vast majority of Democrats are anti-socialist, never mind the republicans. The President alone does not have the power to make America a socialist country.

And frankly in a world where the UK, France, & even the Scandinavian nations are moving further & further away from socialist & even social-democrat government, it's highly unlikely that the United States takes their place.

@Forkboy:

Most of the United States, Europe, probably even you, pretty much the entire world blames Bush for the problems of the US for the last 8 years of problems in the US. Whether Bush is smart, whether Bush has solid policies, frankly none of that matters a whole lot. The problem lies in the fact that neither party really works together to get much accomplished. They both piss and moan and fight over the same issues.

Hell, take a look at who they chose as running mates:

Obama, a black man running to be the first black President in the United States, picks an older white man known to be leftist, social, whatever you want to call it, and goes on TV saying "Change needs to be more than a campaign slogan".

McCain, a veteran in politics, picks a youngish beaty queen white female with a good personality and decent record. They both try to work across the isle but are looked on as wishy washy by most, even their own party.

Now, pretty much they're going after votes. To me, if it wasnt so obvious it wouldnt be so bad. But, it is. It's blatantly obvious their simply trying to relate to the voters to get votes, because they have the same problem I have with every politician:

They think they need a title to get something done. Why does Barack Obama need to be President to do these things? He's already in Congress, why not propose the damn legislation he thinks is going to save the US now? Why wait? Same thing with McCain or Palin or Clinton or the whole lot.

Frankly, I'm digging out my old voter's receipts and just voting Perot.

I dont see how Americans dont like Socailism and see it as evil, sure communism was your 'enemy' for years but socailism is a much softer form of it, heck most European countries are socailist, the UK is (though I agree we are getting a little too capitalist for our own good). I personally see capitalism as the problem that cauased the credit crunch ^^. But thats my views .

I recently saw "Sicko" by micheal More and I was absolutely shocked by the US social security system. I honestly have no words for it, even criminal is to soft. That a developed country like the US still has a social security system that is poorer and less developed then 3th world countries is imo unacceptable.

That is why I think I the US could really really really use a few good left politicians.

Enef Freestar wrote:I dont see how Americans dont like Socailism and see it as evil, sure communism was your 'enemy' for years but socailism is a much softer form of it, heck most European countries are socailist, the UK is (though I agree we are getting a little too capitalist for our own good). I personally see capitalism as the problem that cauased the credit crunch ^^. But thats my views .

I want to see you in a socialist country like Spain, sure you would love US government.

A tax system that might actually help the poor and impoverished citizens of America? Travesty!

Well, many of the Homeless people, and even those with homes in the states are living under the Poverty Line...also, Palin is fairly retarded: "I can see Russia from my House", I don't think Biden is as strong as Obama, but Obama better win...Also, in the presidential debate, McCain is not thinking things through: He wants to lower taxes, cut government spending and Pay off bad mortgage Debts, i think thats fairly contradictory

I love how people are scared of socialism in the US.

Didn't they try to nationalise half the big banks that collapsed?

a saying i have heard is socialise the losses, capitalise the profits (or something like that)

tim09 wrote:I love how people are scared of socialism in the US.

Didn't they try to nationalise half the big banks that collapsed?

a saying i have heard is socialise the losses, capitalise the profits (or something like that)

Lol, i forgot about that, most of the financial market in the US now rests on Government loans and money (I don't think the Gov. actually controls them, just owns them)

Anyway - back on topic.

Biden by a metric mile. (see what I did thar )

Palin has absolutely NO CLUE. I haven't yet seen her answer a question with a relevant and possible answer.
She simply plays to the crowd with her 'I'm a real American, just like you'.
She's an actor, not a politician.

Actors win election, not politicans mind you ...

I'm not a US citizen but given the odds of McCain not surviving his term I'm not sure I'd want Palin as president of the US - she seems very good at reciting soundbites (and no doubt anything else her handlers tell her to), but I don't think I'd want her as figurehead of the most powerful nation.

dishmcds wrote:They think they need a title to get something done. Why does Barack Obama need
to be President to do these things? He's already in Congress, why not
propose the damn legislation he thinks is going to save the US now? Why
wait? Same thing with McCain or Palin or Clinton or the whole lot.

Likely because it's a whole load easier to do as President than a senator. Didn't McCain have his cunning plan to capture Obama, but didn't want to tell us all what it was? Meanwhile, isn't Obama proposing to send troops into Pakistan (with or without permission) to pursue insurgents? Either sounds like a head-desk moment for US foreign relations to me.

Also, the President can veto any legislation, and it's hard to see a President vetoing his/her own legislation...Odds (by gamblers) see McCain tipped to die in office (how morbid, people bet on that), and I agree with Mephit, it would be scary having Palin in charge of the world's most powerful nation...Aussies might know what I mean when I say she always reminds me of Pauline Hansen, not good

freneticpanda wrote:Aussies might know what I mean when I say she always reminds me of Pauline Hansen, not good

don't know who pauline hansen is, but to me, she reminds me to the creepy cat lady a few streets from here. I don't know, but she just has a evil face... there's just something not right about her

relic's got a point there in policies and whatnot Biden easily won but Palin just appeals to the rednecks of america
i hope Obama wins Mccains should be in a retiring home enjoying the last 5-10 years of his life

theres my 2 cents

Obama gets elected: Gets assassinated, Biden is president. Your stereotypical white politician.

McCain gets elected: Dies, bat-s*** insane fundamentalist gets made president, who's vacuous personality grates anyone who thinks evolution is right.

Glorious Failure wrote:Obama gets elected: Gets assassinated

gees you where close

shadow wrote:

freneticpanda wrote:Aussies might know what I mean when I say she always reminds me of Pauline Hansen, not good

don't know who pauline hansen is, but to me, she reminds me to the creepy cat lady a few streets from here. I don't know, but she just has a evil face... there's just something not right about her

Some quotes from Pauline (she got elected to Parliament):

1. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians.
2. “Immigration must be halted in the short-term so that
our dole queues are not added to by, in many cases, unskilled migrants
not fluent in the English language.”
3. We must look after our own before lining the pockets of overseas countries and investors.

lol maybe we should start a pauline hanson thread in aussie forums

You need one of those politicans in Aussieland ... I mean, will need

I never understood why socialist is such a swear word in the USA. Some say it's bad here but it is accepted as a political ideology for the most part and not the work of the devil.

Anyway on topic. Biden as the thought of Palin being one step away from the Presidents seat scares me.