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Post by rastari on Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:21 pm

good or bad?
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Post by Bob Boblo on Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:29 pm

Good, mostly.
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Post by Taytaz on Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:28 pm

Good...
Bad...
Dangerous to know
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Post by Fearless Dingo on Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:02 am

Where the copyright allows the producer of a work to continue to profit from his endeavours rather than be pilfered by any yahoo who happens to fancy it?

How could you argue that it's a bad thing?
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Post by rastari on Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:21 am

well with stuff like code and inventions where people could use these to make the world better, but the person who invented/wrote it got a patent put through, so someone who could use it too do something useful can't because of one man's greed
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Post by elbanaan on Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:25 am

ofcourse it's a good thing Surprised

why else would you put in billions in R&D, if you knew someone can just take your hard work and sell it with a small profit, so you can never recover.
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Post by Palodigon on Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:44 am

Copyright makes new products m๙ore expensive because only one company can produce it and has a monopoly on the product. But obviously, the company spent alot of money to on R&D so copyright gives them a chance to get some money from their product.
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Post by SaraDroz on Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:13 am

Cpoywighting articles and designs etc is ok but intellectual copyright is an expense.
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Post by twaters on Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:24 am

How about when copyrighting of medical treatment is used to keep the price as high as possible (at the patient's expense)?
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Post by rastari on Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:21 am

exactly trademarks are ok
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Post by elbanaan on Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:09 am

twaters wrote:How about when copyrighting of medical treatment is used to keep the price as high as possible (at the patient's expense)?

the high price is needed because only 1 in 50 researched drugs actually sell (like viagra / betablockers / anti cholesterol). it takes millions and millions to research those other drugs.

So either all research should be done by the government (so not good/slow/ineffective), or intelectual property should be protected!
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Post by El Drew on Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:01 am

Why do you think government research would be not good/slow/ineffective? Not trying to be argumentative here, I'm genuinely interested.
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Post by Peter Steven on Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:34 am

Privately funded research tends to allow much greater profits and so provides a greater reward for innovation; with government research there is a smaller financial reward so less of an incentive.
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Post by rastari on Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:38 am

no great sientist has had finance as there primary incentive
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Post by John Forseti on Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:22 pm

Indeed, but science is very expensive and few great scientists could afford their labs these days without the backing of a company, university or government.

Government research wouldn't be less good or ineffective, but the fact that it was funded from the tax payer's purse would weigh the projects down with tighter scrutiny and so on, making it slower and more expensive. Imagine a fire & brimstone type catholic politician on the stem-cell research committee.
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Post by elbanaan on Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:30 pm

El Drew wrote:Why do you think government research would be not good/slow/ineffective? Not trying to be argumentative here, I'm genuinely interested.

It's more of a general rule, government companies are not as effective managed as private ones.
(for one thing, government changes every 4-5 years, so management does to, also, CEO's can get the post because of politics, not abilty)

also, would the public agree that millions go to development of things that are useless 90% of the time?
it's necessary, but hard to sell.
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Post by Javache on Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:39 pm

I like the current way medicines are managed: the inventing company gets the copyright for a number of years (don't know how much). After that, they should've been able to return the cost of the r&d and made a nice profit and every company can manufacture the medicines, the so called generic medicines.

What I'm getting a bit sick of is companies like Walt Disney that are pushing legislation to extend copyright so they can keep farming old ideas.
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Post by elbanaan on Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:20 pm

it's 20 years as far as I know. For technology, it's untill the inventor is dead =) (in some countries at least)
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Post by El Drew on Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:44 pm

I'd prefer just lots of government funding to University research teams. I mean, as said previously, no great scientist has been in it for the money, really. And this should apply to drugs too. Expensive in the short term, but the cheaper medicine in the long term is worth it, IMHO.
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Post by elbanaan on Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:51 pm

Well, after 20 years the meds get cheaper. It's only after 20 years that you know the long term effects.
I'm also pro more university funding, but I think the protection of intellectual property is also needed
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Post by El Drew on Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:26 pm

But what about those companies that simply churn out ideas and patent them, on the offchance that someone will create a working version, then claim royalties? They have a negative effect on the very thing you're trying to create with intellectual property.
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Post by Nemo Mobilis on Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:15 pm

PArt of the reason it is so expensive to produce drugs now is because it's been turned into an industry designed to make money. Scientists are beginning to ignore whole fields of medicine and research because there's only money in a few areas. Further copyright can threaten or outright eliminate creative expansion. Look at the development of the great stories which have become the foundation of western civilization, like King Arthur and a number of others. These were repeated and ripped off by a plethora of authors and song writers, each one retelling the same story, but changing just a little this or that they thought would sound better. We have a rich cultural tradition due to what would be considered infringement.
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Post by rastari on Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:18 pm

and intellectual property doesn't need to be protected it needs to be shared
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Post by Nemo Mobilis on Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:26 pm

Nobody can take back the internet, the days of record companies making money off of cd sales and closed releases is over. If anything it will actually improve the artists and clear out the junk. I think there can be a balance though, in terms of intellectual property rights, but i also know that there are silly things like the extension of copyrights in the UK. i don't like seeing people discuss and make rulings in real courts about issues they really know very little about.
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Post by rastari on Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:33 pm

like fox hunting
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