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Post by Skinny Bones Jones on Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:49 pm

Figured in light of this quote from Twat-ers:

twat-ers wrote:Also, i see we have this thread, but is no-one interested in UK politics?

We should at least get people talking on this, regardless of how many years it'll be.
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Post by Skinny Bones Jones on Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:50 pm

*cough cameron cough*

And no, I don't think he's good looking.
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Post by twaters on Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:52 pm

Brown.

Cameron is smarmy and i don't trust him one bit. Whereas Brown was a good chancellor (Blair dropped him in a lot of stuff), and would be a good PM if he didn't surround himself with people like Darling...
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Post by TheTruePredator on Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:00 pm

Didn't Brown sign a secret declaration with the EU for Britain to lose even more control I would hardly say that is trusting.
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Post by Skinny Bones Jones on Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:20 pm

Brown has shown his incompetence in my opinion.
Also, even though Cameron would have done exactly the same thing, I don't like that there wasn't a new election when Brown took over.

I know that isn't how it's supposed to work, but it's how it has turned out.
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Post by twaters on Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:24 pm

Brown's been very unfortunate, and lots of unforseeable events have occurred. Also, personally, i think he's surrounded by idiots. Our economy is crippled by a war we couldn't afford, and an international downturn. Cameron wouldn't have done better (probably a lot worse), and in my opinion, he's a posh, showboating, attention-seeker. That and he's a Tory. Can't stand Tories.
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Post by Skinny Bones Jones on Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:30 pm

I know he's been unfortunate but I also think he hasn't handled the bad hand he's been dealt well. Don't you think the people who he appoints to his cabinet are his fault too?

Cameron would lack experience, but he's the best alternative to Brown.
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Post by twaters on Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:40 pm

I don't necessarily mean cabinet, i mean advisers, other party members etc. In the cabinet it's mainly Darling i have a problem with. And i don't see Cameron as a viable alternative at all. He's just a young face put on an old party.
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Post by Ip Lockard on Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:49 pm

twat-ers wrote:I don't necessarily mean cabinet, i mean advisers, other party members etc. In the cabinet it's mainly Darling i have a problem with. And i don't see Cameron as a viable alternative at all. He's just a young face put on an old party.

Millband and Balls are two I'd also see go. Not to mention the totally useless Home Secretary Jacqui Smith.

To be honest I'd prefer a change this election, I think Labour have spent enough time pandering to the US and pushing useless policy around that they're becoming too comfortable in power.

I'm not that big a fan of Cameron either, and the Lib Dems never show enough guts to actually get anywhere in this country. Where are our politicians with balls? Where are our Ron Pauls, our Dennis Kucinich's?
However much I disagree with the US electoral system, at least some of their candidates show a little passion for a cause.
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Post by Skinny Bones Jones on Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:16 pm

American's = overdramatics.
they're bound to have passion..its bred into them.
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Post by Squiddy on Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:45 pm

I agree with SBJ.

The thing is, I'm just sick of always having to go with the lesser of two evils.

Why can't we have someone that's not an incompetent twat in one way or another?
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Post by twaters on Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:49 pm

Squiddy wrote:I agree with SBJ.

The thing is, I'm just sick of always having to go with the lesser of two evils.

Why can't we have someone that's not an incompetent twat in one way or another?

Because non-americans aren't allowed to run for presidency? Razz
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Post by Khala on Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:55 pm

xD nice twat

UK should get a strong PM and stop following USA around and start showing there worth in the world.
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Post by tim09 on Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:10 am

Thing is Britain has been going down, they are no longer the leaders. Everyone used to have to suck up to Britain and now its the other way around.

Lets face no politician has all the answers. We will always remember the bad over the decent as well. That is why we view it as the lesser of two evils\

Disclaimer: I have no idea about English politics except Brown came in after Tony Blair. I am just looking at the sentiments in this thread and comparing them to my Australian knowledge of politics.

Incidentally the Aussie local elections are this weekend. I miss voting by 2 weeks
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Post by shadow on Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:28 am

Don't know anything about RL-UK politics, but if you guys elect ppl like that guy that's currently mayor of London (that boris guy), the rest of the world sure can't deny that the British voter doesn't have a sense of humour Laughing Laughing
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Post by chrissetti on Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:16 am

Brown was not a good chancellor, selling off most of our gold reserves when it was the lowest price for 20 years etc. No he hasn't been a terrible PM but he's getting kicked in the a*se by his own mistakes.

It's the Labour Party in general who are the problem. Jacqui Smith implements knee-jerk reactions to every slight problem she's faced with and the Party in general is stagnant from 11 years in power.

But who to choose? David Cameron has no principles, his opinion changes depending on who he's talking to at the time which is indicitive of the modern Tory party.
Nick Clegg on the other hand has led the Lib-Dems quietly, rarely willing to stick his party in the Labour-Tory crossfire and ultimately his defensive attitudes have resulted in people not knowing who he is or what the Lib-dems stand for.

I might vote Green in the next election, not for their environmental policies but their social ones.
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Post by Skinny Bones Jones on Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:09 am

I prefer tactical voting, which is why I think Cameron is the best bet. Our politics is crap anyway, there's only two parties that are likely to make gov. which is ridiculous.

Can't stand the lib dems.
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Post by happyjoe5 on Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:17 am

For the good of the nation, I hope David Cameron dies before the next election.
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Post by Bob Boblo on Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:43 am

Brown, but only if a cabinet reshuffle took place. Browns not a a bad PM, its just he has a circus in place where his cabinet should be. Plus, he lacks charisma so hes never going to inspire a great deal of confidence into the electorate.
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Post by widdows9000 on Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:50 am

twat-ers wrote:Brown's been very unfortunate, and lots of unforseeable events have occurred. Also, personally, i think he's surrounded by idiots. Our economy is crippled by a war we couldn't afford, and an international downturn. Cameron wouldn't have done better (probably a lot worse), and in my opinion, he's a posh, showboating, attention-seeker. That and he's a Tory. Can't stand Tories.

Lol, Twat-ers is my kind of guy, we agree on everything from forum skins to US/UK politics and the fact that Cameron is a complete posh, up his own arse smarmy git.
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Post by Bob Boblo on Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:54 am

widdows9000 wrote:Cameron is a complete posh, up his own arse smarmy git.

He doesn't even need to be aswell, theres plenty other tories who can fill that hole for him Razz Rolling Eyes
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Post by KIA Sneak on Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:17 am

Totally agree with Twat-ers. Tbh i've been out of touch with UK politics for a while now, its no fun without Twat-ers and kourosh to argue with. 

The fact is Cameron is not the great saviour that we keep being told he is and i'm fed up of the media having a go at Brown. Plus I’m not a Tory fan. 

We have fun times ahead to look forward to and it doesn’t help to be told our housing market is failing. Ignorance is bliss and telling people there house is worth less is not a good plan. The media is forcing prices down by lowering public expectations. 

We will never have a good leader because politics does not praise good leaders it helps charismatic ones with money to buy votes. 
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Post by Hassan Pesearn on Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:22 pm

I honestly have become completely dissillusioned by UK politics. Its becoming a bit of a joke. Neither leaders appeal to me at all; one is a self-centered twat, while the other is an incompetent buffon.

American politics is so much more interesting....
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Post by Bob Boblo on Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:22 pm

If only KIA could be tempted into RL politics Razz
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Post by Skinny Bones Jones on Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:15 pm

Lol KIA, I have to agree that the media is so shit - it doesn't do anyone any favours.

Also, we shouldn't look at Cameron as some Tory, because both Labour and the Tories aren't what they used to be.
I think it's called Consensus Politics.
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