Glastonbury '08/Nelson Mandela...

Can I ask William, do you consider fighting an apartheid to be a just cause?

Bob Boblo wrote:There was no intent to terrorise - he is not a terrorist

Nonsense. Gandhi is renowned for his adherence to non-violence: why should this clown get away with adopting terrorism, just because he tried other methods first?

Robert Mugabe tried his hand at democracy and was quite successful for a while. Does that excuse his present behaviour? If not, then why should Mandela get away with adopting terror tactics?

Mugabes cause is not a just one. Mandela was fighting for a just cause - liberation for black people.

Actually, there's also plenty of evidence to suggest that Gandhi wasn't as great as he is made out to be either.

Bob Boblo wrote:Can I ask William, do you consider fighting an apartheid to be a just cause?

Apartheid was ultimately brought down by international pressure. There is no excuse for terrorism.

This is in no way meant as a justification of the apartheid principles themselves: but you do realise the average black South African is much worse off than he was under the previous regime, don't you? The ANC have ruined the economy.

twat-ers wrote:Actually, there's also plenty of evidence to suggest that Gandhi wasn't as great as he is made out to be either.

Shall we save that for another day?

Do you know what it is like to live under an apartheid? Because if not, I'm not sure you can pass judgement

Mandela was no angel, not by a long stretch, but he successfully fought for a just cause, and I don't think he should be critisized.

Anyways, I thought you believed in 'fighting for what you believe in'.

Bob Boblo wrote:Anyways, I thought you believed in 'fighting for what you believe in'.

I haven't blown anyone up on here yet, have I?

No Boblo, he should be criticised.
How can you condone the ANC after Mandela has admitted they violated human rights?
How can you condone a bloke who organised bombings and the like?
Mandela fought for a just cause until he done went and did that military stuffs.

I didn't word that well,

He still deserves recognition

I wasn't conding the ANC, anyways

I'm going to bed now, BTW, so I won't be able to reply, unless you want to continue this tomorow

Na it's fine. I don't like controversy much.
Night Boblo. x

... Stop Hijacking my threads

Obvious trolls are obvious.

Soz (Brodie), just thought id get a word in!

Mandela and co used bombings and militant methods to end aparthied and spent 27 years in jail. What he is honoured and remembered for is his transformation during the time. He did not hate those who held him as in other countries. He did not seek to punish white people in SA but instead intended to create and equal SA regardless of his hardships.

He teaches forgiveness, leadership, and the hope in the world. He is not God but human, but a role model for all!

This whole topic is about trolling and then pretending you're a mature adult.

03samg wrote:Mandela and co used bombings and militant methods to end aparthied and spent 27 years in jail. What he is honoured and remembered for is his transformation during the time. He did not hate those who held him as in other countries. He did not seek to punish white people in SA but instead intended to create and equal SA regardless of his hardships.

He teaches forgiveness, leadership, and the hope in the world. He is not God but human, but a role model for all!

That started off quite balanced, then got lost in a flurry of trendy lefty revisionism.

If the truth hurts, what can I do mate?

That has nothing to do with my RL socialist beliefs.

Aparthied had to be ended and quite frankly that was the only way. I still believe violence is wrong as I'm a pacifist however, that occasion was a moment in history that required change.

But its not about that for me, it the transformation he under took as aforementioned.

03samg's point still stands its about what he did after that he is respected for. ever heard the saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

tim09 wrote:ever heard the saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

Of course I have: apologists for terrorists have been using it for years.

so what about the aussies fighting back ingame? are they freedom fighters or obviously terrorists?

Fighting a military campaign to reinforce the principle of self-determination (ie 1982 Falklands War, 1991 Gulf War, &c) is completely different to terrorism (ie Sein Fein-IRA, AQ, ANC, &c). Only someone completely devoid or RL political, historical and military knowledge would fail to see that.

We have remember, this is about Mandela, not the ANC.

And Mandela is quoted as saying the bombs were intended be set off in way that didn't harm anyone

I'm not sure how they planned to that but his intentions were good