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Re: Americans

Post by RomanSoldier on Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:27 am

lol..if u take Britain...its goes ALL THE WAY BACK to the Romans, when they first invaded, we were a bunch if crazy druids back then, but still, we were living there=p before it was called Britannia by the Romans, and basically that was the first time Europe/Britain met=p so i guess our history starts there

oh and yea...the difference between college and university is this...


School/high school/college/university

thats how we get our education here in the order ooh and also..its free till university too=p(depending on ur family income)
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Re: Americans

Post by shadow on Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:49 am

ah, English vs. Yanks



hey aren't we forgetting the Australians? They're even bigger fakers. They take words from Americans English and then rape it by pronouncing it a British English way.


they are the evil doers!!! they should be the one's we should hunt for!!!!





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Re: Americans

Post by rastari on Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:15 am

yeah theyve raped our language as well
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Re: Americans

Post by John Forseti on Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:33 am

twaters wrote:Rastari: Our country as we know is it roughly 50 years old...

First Roman Invasion: 55 BC
Roman Conquest: 43 AD
Retreat of the Legions: 410 AD
Unifcation of Scotland: 843 AD
Unification of England: 927 AD
Norman Conquest: 1066 AD
Laws in Wales Acts: 1542 AD
Personal Union: 1603 AD
First Act of Union: 1707 AD
Second Act of Union: 1801 AD
Irish Free State: 1921 AD

The very very minimum age for the UK then 87 years, and you can count British history all the way back to the Roman Invasion giving you over 2000 years.
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Post by EmerickciremE on Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:55 am

Ares989 wrote:However heres the kicker we are still arguing about the american revolution. things that happend over 231 years ago and still arguing. Shows how well we gwt along eh?.
Hey UK: the American Revolution happened. ;_;
shadow wrote:ah, English vs. Yanks



hey aren't we
forgetting the Australians? They're even bigger fakers. They take words
from Americans English and then rape it by pronouncing it a British
English way.


they are the evil doers!!! they should be the one's we should hunt for!!!!





oh, yes, I know I'm evil Razz Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
Austrlians are cool because they're just like us, but with accents and kangaroos- they went down to Australia and said to the natives, "Hey, we were kicked out of the UK, so we're going to crash here for a while. Also gtfo."

Except they're socialists, which isn't cool, but they have deserts, so they have that going for them.
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Re: Americans

Post by Enef Freestar on Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:56 am

Another thing is your that you love capitalism too much Razz, Why do Americans see Socailism as a bad thing? Pretty much all of your allies are socailist, we in the UK are socailist, most of Europe is. To tell you the truth you could say USA was the only capitalist nation.

Communism is bad yes... all teh killing stuff and taking everything away etc.

Socailism is different Very Happy We are friendly... now join us Twisted Evil
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Post by ayca on Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:32 am

Enef Freestar wrote:The Scots have their own language already though Razz So do the Welsh and Irish, Americans changed our language, what the other 3 done was that they simply took words from their original language and used it in english, the americans just made their words up, or got lazy and started mising out letters (letter u for example) and using other letters (z is at the end of the alphabet for a reason Razz) for no apparent reason.

The Americans didn't 'get lazy'. American English still retains a lot of the features that Early Modern English had when it first arrived in America. The common '-ize' suffix is far truer to the Latin root [ and British scholars have always tried to adapt English to fit Latin rules], and British English has since deviated from that. That's also why words we no longer use, eg. fall, diaper etc, are still in common use in America. Also, anyone who comes out with this 'oh no, you're dirtying my lovely perfect English language' rubbish should consider the fact that English only is the way it is because of Latin, Greek, German, Old Norse, French, Arabic, Inuit etc etc etc... and then jog on. And it isn't just 'our' language. Stingy capitalists.


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Re: Americans

Post by ayca on Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:36 am

Bremer wrote:Because we invented the bloody language! [2]

Yes. Yes you did.
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Post by twaters on Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:55 am

^^Someone broke the double posting rule....

Just because something is composite in origin it doesn't mean it cannot be 'ours'. A book can have a variety of influences and sources, does that make it any less the product of the author?

John, the official independence of Ireland was in 1949 (according to my university textbook). But i fail to see your reasoning. If you're including the time we spent under foreign rule (Romans, Normans etc), then it makes no sense whatsoever to exclude colonial America.
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Post by John Forseti on Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:49 pm

twaters wrote:4John, the official independence of Ireland was in 1949 (according to my university textbook). But i fail to see your reasoning. If you're including the time we spent under foreign rule (Romans, Normans etc), then it makes no sense whatsoever to exclude colonial America.

1949? Unless you're maybe mistaking Ireland for India somehow, then you probably need a new text book. As to excluding colonial america, what am I excluding it from? American history? Not me, colonial America is a huge part of their history and should be included. I was merely pointing out that no matter how you slice it, the UK is way older than 50 and British history weighs in at around two thousands years worth.
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Post by Ip Lockard on Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:31 pm

1922 was the birth of the 'Irish Free State'.

Which I'm sure Micheal Collins will confirm, seeing as he was involved Wink
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Re: Americans

Post by Flamur on Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:13 pm

Enef Freestar wrote:Communism is bad yes... all teh killing stuff and taking everything away etc.


You're either very stupid or joking.
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Re: Americans

Post by Horatio Vowles on Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:45 pm

Flamur wrote:
Enef Freestar wrote:Communism is bad yes... all teh killing stuff and taking everything away etc.


You're either very stupid or joking.

Wait? Communist don't kill people or take away things? Damn, no wonder. It seems I've had you guys wrong all along.
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Post by patti11 on Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:14 pm

Enef Freestar wrote:

Communism is bad yes... all teh killing stuff and taking everything away etc.

provide evidence and to this and how capitalism is eny diffrent
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Post by ayca on Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:20 pm

There's a double posting rule? Wow, you nerds are controlling.
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Re: Americans

Post by RomanSoldier on Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:26 pm

ayca wrote:There's a double posting rule? Wow, you nerds are controlling.

its jsut to stop spammers from ruining the forums=p
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Re: Americans

Post by Horatio Vowles on Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:31 pm

A quick look at the first few years of Soviet Russia and you see millions of deaths already,
"The Red Terror","Povolzhye famine",Cossacks,Deaths in concentration camps. Fast forward to modern day China and you'll easily loose count. A small snippet of "evidence". (Both death and taking everything away Wink.)

Well, capitalism don't believe in suppressing our political opponents(Red Terror), nor leaving/causing millions to die in famine(Povolzhye and Ukraine famine).
While they arn't perfect they are hardly 'monsters' Wink
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Post by Flamur on Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:44 pm

Horatio Vowles wrote:A quick look at the first few years of Soviet Russia and you see millions of deaths already,
"The Red Terror","Povolzhye famine",Cossacks,Deaths in concentration camps. Fast forward to modern day China and you'll easily loose count. A small snippet of "evidence". (Both death and taking everything away Wink.)

Well, capitalism don't believe in suppressing our political opponents(Red Terror), nor leaving/causing millions to die in famine(Povolzhye and Ukraine famine).
While they arn't perfect they are hardly 'monsters' Wink



Soviet Russia, under Stalin, wasn't a communist country. It was Stalinist.

And China isn't properly communism. It's corrupted to the teeth.


Let's not get into this debate, but most of us should be aware that whilst Communism has great theories and ideas, in practice it simply wouldn't work in real life.

Lets just leave it at that.
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Post by patti11 on Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:23 pm

agreed
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Post by twaters on Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:34 pm

"Capitalism doesn't oppress its opponents" - United States presidential campaigns?

Besides, as we all know, capitalist imperialism didn't kill/oppress anyone, and poor people don't die on the streets Rolling Eyes

As for leaving/causing millions of people to die in famine...err. Do you live in the same world i do?

John: Ireland became a Dominion in 1922, which i would class as being very different to an independent state (and i doubt the Irish would be happy if they were still a Dominion!)

The way you're dividing it up seems rather haphazard (the nation we live in, while separate parts may have long histories, collectively we're very young), and i think you need to define your terms and starting points a lot more clearly.
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Post by Collins on Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:06 pm

twaters wrote:John: Ireland became a Dominion in 1922, which i would class as being very different to an independent state (and i doubt the Irish would be happy if they were still a Dominion!)

Yes, Ireland remained a part of the commonwealth, legislature officials had to swear loyalty to the monarchy, and the monarchy was the head of state. Ireland became a republic in 1949 with the Republic of Ireland Act.
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Post by rastari on Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:51 pm

ayca wrote:There's a double posting rule? Wow, you nerds are controlling.

i think i'm in love
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Post by twaters on Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:09 pm

rastari wrote:
ayca wrote:There's a double posting rule? Wow, you nerds are controlling.

i think i'm in love

Wow, and you have a penguin as an avatar. She'll like you...I love you
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Post by John Forseti on Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:15 pm

twaters wrote:Ireland became a Dominion in 1922, which i would class as being very different to an independent state (and i doubt the Irish would be happy if they were still a Dominion!)

So you wouldn't classify Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda and Saint Kitts and Nevis as independent countries in any way? They are all still members of the commonwealth and are all to this day still dominions.

And regarding history, no matter how much you want to deny it, British history covers two thousand years, from the Roman invasions to yesterday, that's our history. And the country itself, I count from the first act of union, is over three centuries old, even in the most pedantic way possible it is still over eighty years.

I don't see what's illogical or hapharzard about that at all.
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Post by twaters on Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:39 pm

I think that you're failing to recognise the different ways in which the term Dominion is applied. A nation can now be a Dominion and an independent country in a way that wasn't really possible in 1949.

The reason that i find it haphazard is because it takes into consideration changes in the formulation of American history, but not those in the UK. American history is capable of being traced back an enormous amount of time, and that is their history. I'm not saying that in Britain we definitely have a shorter history (as a people) than in America, but what i am saying that you need to define more clearly whether you're referring to the history of our current nation, or that of the British people, and apply the same definition to both, and only then can the question of 'who has the longest history' be answered.
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